part of that, and now as secretary of state knowing the world. >> biden or clinton? >> i'd like to see which of the harbaugh brothers come out on top. >> gentlemen, thank you both for being here. >> thank you, chuck. good to see you. >> as secretary panetta prepares to leave government service again, we spent some additional time with him on press pass to talk about that long career as a congressman, budget director, white house chief of staff, and director of the cia. he also weighs in on what the current issue of "time" magazine calls the rise of the drones, and he has some surprising suggestions for the president going forward. you can watch the full interview on our website, that's at meetthepress@msnbc.com. >>> coming up, the hagel confirmation hearing. was it political grandstanding or a poor performance? plus, what led the white house to release this photo of the president? apparently skeet shooting on his birthday last year. i'll ask former obama white house press secretary robert gibbs when he joins the rest of our roundtable, chairman of the faith and freed